67-year-old businessman Fabio Barbosa was one of the signers of the manifesto, signed by entrepreneurs and intellectuals in support of the country’s electoral system, and took part in the action against the government of Jair Bolsonaro, held on Avenida Paulista on 12 September. Barbosa, who participates in four groups with businessmen and leaders who want to take part in next year’s election debate, said in an interview state that the business world is now waking up for political debate.

What does Brazil need to do to restore its economy? Which reforms are most relevant?

The legal framework for basic sanitation is an important reform that has not always been highlighted. It has set universal targets for 2033 for the population for wastewater treatment and clean water. This is revolutionary. There have been positive developments, but in some the government has not accelerated. One of them is administrative reform. This must be done. It was a mistake that we didn’t. Let’s see if anything comes out of the tax reform before the end of the year.

Does business today have a more conservative or progressive view of the identity agenda?

Entrepreneurs and leaders have come to realize that society requires more interconnected actions with companies. Social integration topics are much more intertwined. Companies are working on their policies and are seeing how to eliminate the unconscious bias that prevents some people from being able to. Companies realized that a diverse group was better than a peer group. Society requires companies to take a stand on these issues. Entrepreneurs are much more involved with these topics, whether out of conviction or convenience.

What should be the main topics of the pre-election debate in 2022?

There are two themes. It is very important to discuss the environmental issue. We have to position ourselves. As well as social inclusion with equal opportunities through education.

In your opinion, have organizations and business leaders taken a belated stance on the behavior of President Jair Bolsonaro?

This issue began to linger as the president became more active in his opposition to democracy. The business sector, which has rarely mobilized, has chosen to publicly voice its concerns. It was important to get back on your feet. I see the growing participation of society in politics. I see that more and more people want to run for public office. Bolsonaro’s statements changed the level of concern.

How do you see the pre-election debate?

I want people to vote because they believe, not because they are afraid. I see people voting out of fear. There are many opportunities for a focused agenda that awakens hope. The left has taken over a monopoly on public good discourse. I see that the most liberal people in the economic situation show social concerns. We want a better country. The path is a lesser state presence, giving more space to the private sector.

Do you believe in the third path in the 2022 election?

The definition of the PSDB, which will take place in November in the preview, will be very important for the start of the game. Neither Bolsonaro nor Lula want a third name. The candidate who has appeared now will receive many blows from both sides. The right time will be next year. You need one or two candidates from the center.

Do you see your favorite name?

There is a place and time for growth (the third way). Without defining a PSDB preview, nothing will happen. From this point on, alliances will be made.

Information from the newspaper State of Sao Paulo.

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